EVPs Explained?

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EVPs Explained?

Postby Dr Whom » Thu Oct 25, 2012 8:38 pm

Please note WHERE I'm posting - the Skeptics Arena - as this is a topic I wish to discuss and hopefully, with the participation of others, prove or disprove a theory.
Like Jemm and Orbs, I've been a little uncomfortable with EVP recordings. In the past, I've had "ghosts" speak to me in dreams, and at times, the conversation has been quite fluid and cogniscent.
However, listening to the "noise" of the recordings, one thing nagged me. Why did the "noise" only happen after the person had spoken? If I looked away before a subtitle appeared, I couldn't hear the word/words, but once I'd been told what the word was, then I heard it - bit like seeing faces in the clouds.
I watched an episode of Derren Brown and the Ghost Hunter, and it appears my question was answered. Derren spoke to Roger Boyell, an audio specialist, who advised that because the audio devices are voice activated, once the person stops speaking, the equipment automatically raises it's volume (it listens harder) due to the silence, and that's when it picks up the static.
As you will see from the video, Derren "proves" this by asking whoever is there NOT to say anything, and straight after he finishes talking, we get the same static.
[youtube]http://youtu.be/TmCQwQaEBR8[/youtube]
Is all EVP audio equipment voice activated?
Could I please ask for any member with the evp audio equipment to carry out the same test but could they
record themselves counting from one to ten, and pausing for around three seconds after each number, to see whether each time you get static?
Thankyou in advance!
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Rick » Thu Oct 25, 2012 9:03 pm

Heya DrWhom,

The digi recorders i use are constantly recording from when i push the record button, till i push the stop button.

I do think i know what you mean though, but i have never noticed a volume jump after talking on either of the recorders i use. The reason i use 2 different models, 1 is the model i set out with all the DVR cameras (1 digi per camera), the other is the one carried by investigators.

Will do your test for you tomorrow on 2 different digi recorders and post the results for you.

I would do it now, but i have had a collective of about 5 hours sleep in the last 3 days, my eyes are popping out of my head at the moment, and i dont know if i am making any typos, can barely see the screen.....lol

Will post the results and the recorders i use tomorrow.

Cheers

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Dellycat » Thu Oct 25, 2012 11:50 pm

I am skeptical about EVP myself, same as Orbs, except I got a recording accidently a couple years back. I bought a new video camera and was playing with it, as in fiddling with the zoom and control buttons. I was lying in bed at the time, quietly, instead of reading a book I was learning the controls and there was no tv on or anything else that could have been accidently recorded. When I went back through the tape to see the results, I had a voice. I did try and solve the cause of the voice and couldn't.
I will see if I can find that video as it got lost in the site crash and I don't know if I still have it on my computer or not. I would like you guys to listen to it if I can retrieve it, just for your opinion.
When I first posted it, I didn't put up what I heard I let others work it out and everyone heard what I did.
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Rick » Fri Oct 26, 2012 5:36 pm

From the sounds of the video clip you have posted, they are talking about voice activated recording devices. Not sure how many people use this, i guess it is up to the individual.

I hope you dont take this the wrong way, i am not having a shot at anyone here, just trying to ask a question, and have an open discussion, so please dont take this as an attack, or for anything more than a genuine question.

I could be wrong, but is the thing that peaked your curiosity listening to TV shows, (Like Ghost Hunters, Ghost Adventures, etc), playing their EVP's?

If it is, what i believe you will find is that the reason the volume seems to "boost" after the talking, is because a video camera / sound recording device generally doesnt pick up the sound properly from other digital devices, like digital recorders. So, the actual file has been manipulated, and re recorded at a higher DB level, so that section where the "noise / voice / what have you" is heard can be heard. What you are generally hearing is 2 or more sound files "stitched" together, especially when the noise heard is softer on the recording. Basically the file will consist of the living person's voice, at normal volume, then the noise at a raised volume, so the camera / sound recording device can pick it up better.

This is of course for LEGITIMATE evp recordings of an unexplained noise, and not something that has been manufactured by some retard trying to get attention....lol

If you had the original recording from the person, i would imagine that the volume would be all constant, and you would hear the noise without the raised volume.

I spoke to my cousin about this today, he coincidentally rang to invite me to dinner tomorrow night....lol. He is a camera man for channel 10. He confirmed this for me as well. He said it doesnt have to be done all the time, but more often than not, especially if the noise on a playback device is soft, the playback recording needs to be enhanced for their equipment to pick it up.

I have 2 recordings below for you, each from a different recording device. When i did the recordings originally, both came out almost identical, so i thought that to be boring to post 2 almost identical recordings, so, i went around the house looking for interference. I finally found it, in my computer modem of all things.....lol. So the second recording is demonstrating ONE form of interference.

I cant remember my login details for my youtube account, so i have posted them on a dormant website i have that is used purely for file storage. There is no advertisements, or links or anything on this site, bar my forum signature for a couple of websites. Hopefully this is OK to post. You cant get any file listings, it has been disabled, you will ONLY be able to get to the file with a DIRECT link.

I hope this is OK Delly and Jemm, but as you will see, if you go to the root link, or try to go anywhere else other than the direct links, it is not trying to advertise anything at all, and does not link anywhere.


First file is counting to 10 slowly, with a pause in between each number. You will notice no volume jumps after speaking. This was taken with a Steel 8GB Digital Voice Recorder. These are the digital voice recorders that i use next to my DVR cameras. You will also JUST hear the ticking of my wall clock, that is around about 10 - 12 meters from where the recorder was, that i can barely hear with my naked ears....lol

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The second file is also counting to 10 the same way again, but had the digi recorder close to my modem, which was giving off the strange, constant, noise of interference. Again, you will notice no volume jumps after speaking. This was taken with a Panasonic 4GB Digital Voice Recorder. These are the digital voice recorders that are carried by investigators. You will also CLEARLY hear the ticking of my wall clock, that is around about 10 - 12 meters from where the recorder was, that i can barely hear with my naked ears....lol

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Both recorders were set to permanent record (normal recording more or less), and were not on voice activation.

A voice activation device WILL amp up the volume when it is not detecting noises / speech.

Well, this post went on for about half an hour more than i intended, sorry all, but i hope it helped.

Cheers

Rick

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Jemm » Fri Oct 26, 2012 7:30 pm

great discussion guys , what I'll do is try and get another member who hasnt been in for a while to have an input from a Paranormal investigators perspective , I think he's one of the tech guys with Bob Davis crew..

its good to have all angles covered..(gawd I've been hanging out with cops too long :bigwink: )

keep this flowing its a great topic.
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Dr Whom » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:34 pm

Wow Rick, I didn't expect you to become my slave and work even longer hours :hi: (that's me taking my hat off to you).

Thankyou so much for doing that.

I guess I would still like to see what happens with a voice activated recorder though (was that the sound of Rick fainting???).

Once gain - THANKYOU!

It would be very interesting to hear yours Delly. Hope you can find it!

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Rick » Fri Oct 26, 2012 9:35 pm

All good, no probs at all :)

Unfortunately.....or is it fortunately.....i dont have a voice activated digi recorder....lol

Checked the settings on the ones i have, neither do voice activation, they are straight record....lol

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Glazen » Sun Oct 28, 2012 10:15 am

I believe all of ours are continuous recording also, but I will check with Evan as he's the one who looks after all our equipment.

Although, a lot of the EVP's from others I've listened to online, the volume increase after the voices is the editing done afterwards. Some people will increase the amplitude right after they ask a question to hear the reply better "is there anyone here with us?" others they seem to need to soften it to make the alleged voice more recognizable.
We usually let people hear the original un-edited version then the cleaned up one so they can hear the similarities and differences.(I hope some of this makes sense, I know what I'm trying to say lol)

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Dr Whom » Mon Oct 29, 2012 4:18 pm

Thanks TPA (hope you don't mind me shortening your name!).

That made perfect sense.

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Glazen » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:24 pm

no problem doctor, don't mind at all (I should probably get delly to change my name for me lol)

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Dellycat » Mon Oct 29, 2012 6:30 pm

TPA-TL2 wrote:no problem doctor, don't mind at all (I should probably get delly to change my name for me lol)


Seems we are all not sure what to call you.. :lol:
If you want your name changed, just let me know and what you would like it to be... :cheesy:
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Jemm » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:02 pm

TPA-Adam :clap:
TPA Adz :bigwink:
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Dellycat » Mon Oct 29, 2012 7:55 pm

Name change request was received and implemented :cheesy:
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Jemm » Tue Oct 30, 2012 3:43 am

Glazen? :whome: :shocked:
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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Glazen » Tue Oct 30, 2012 5:11 am

thankyou delly :)

Jemm wrote:Glazen? :whome: :shocked:

thats my username on just about everything else, so at least i wont forget it myself haha

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Re: EVPs Explained?

Postby Jemm » Tue Oct 30, 2012 10:12 am

well that makes sense now :clap:
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